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  Demonic sex

  by philo in

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  i'm not being a pervert, really.

  i was just wondering whether there was a psychological explanation for why people (women, i think) experience sex, when there's nobody physically there.. there's a lot made of this in dubdom, so i'm thnking there couldbe a connection with the dub 'culture'.. just curious.. philo (honestly, but still a male)

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  Comf
  thanks for the info

  and Wendy i cant't believe i am saying this
  thanks
  take your meds today???

  DC
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  Demonic sex

  by philo in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  i'm not being a pervert, really.

  i was just wondering whether there was a psychological explanation for why people (women, i think) experience sex, when there's nobody physically there.. there's a lot made of this in dubdom, so i'm thnking there couldbe a connection with the dub 'culture'.. just curious.. philo (honestly, but still a male)

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  COMF

  Phenomenal Images!!!
  who is the artist???
  and where is he based???
  does he sell
  and can we link him to our site??
  Suzi an I know many that would really apreciate the pix

  Beautiful fantasy thanx
  SUH WEET!!!!
  btw
  what is his medium oil airbrush or strictly compo generated???
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  Bonsai Kitty

  by suzi mayhem in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ok.. i know i've been a bit of a buster in the past, but this is for real.

  there is a site out there, and apparently a demand, for modified housepets.

  in a nutshell, what these ahem... [people] do is take a kitten, sedate it, insert the poor thing into a glass bottle with air holes drilled into it, and run tubes into it to feed it, and tubes into it to take care of everything else.

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  7006:

  I understood what you did with the bonsai tomato, that falls within the context of parody, and it was quite clever. Also sticking fuckwits head in a jar was quite amusing because it is obvious that it is a touched up photograph. THIS is what is known as a parody taking a dark issue and lightening it up to ease the tension. Well done

  I understand that it may seem as though i over reacted to you, but i personally know of kids who tormented animals when i was growing up, one way was by inserting firecrackers in the cat's assholes and lighting them up, another was by shooting them with BB guns, so perhaps because i have been exposed to such barbarism it is not so far fetched to think that animal cruelty happens, the same way that other forms of abusive behavior also occurs.

  To dismiss it as a non-probability is to be ignorant of an on-going issue.

  I think that putting out the ideas with instructions on how to torment doesnt help in bettering the issue of cruelty, nor is the medium a good one for aiding the criminally insane that just MIGHT try it, it doesn't help to feed their fire,
  Besides what IS exactly the object of parody in the bonsai kitten?
  extreme issues?
  the pendelum swings the opposite way to show what exactly?

  Granted that many here see it as a joke, i personally don't. And it's ironic because i really don't get offended by much, but i do have a deep respect for life and i can see the difference between fiction and non, and though i am one for siding with the underdog, i do not like physical abuse on any level, nor any other type of abuse, for that matter.

  Name calling can lead to verbal abuse, i dont really care for it but it is simply that on a medium like this, besides from what i have gathered in his response to some, Alan as of yet does not strike me as the senstive type, if his feelings got hurt he should not have flung the first stone, he seems to live in a glass house, and can't seem to take what he dishes out, i choose to give the same respect right back, fuckwit seems to be angry and hostile and i have had my fun with him,

  i'm sure you will notice that i have not called you any names nor do i plan to, our level of debate has remained intellectual and all the names have been reserved for fuckwit. .

  on the choice of being vegetarian:

  It does not always imply that the person is an activist or that they should be, it is simply a prefered diet to the individual. There are many other reasons for chosing to not eat meat. Though animal cruelty comes up many times when the issue is raised, it does not define the parameters of the lifestyle of the person who has made the choice.

  DC
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  Bonsai Kitty

  by suzi mayhem in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ok.. i know i've been a bit of a buster in the past, but this is for real.

  there is a site out there, and apparently a demand, for modified housepets.

  in a nutshell, what these ahem... [people] do is take a kitten, sedate it, insert the poor thing into a glass bottle with air holes drilled into it, and run tubes into it to feed it, and tubes into it to take care of everything else.

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  larc
  short and sweet
  cats are carnivorous creatures by nature, it would take lots of coaxing to change their diet, don't bother trying you are going against nature and the food chain
  (sorry about the what the cat dragged in story, sounded like a mess)

  on the censorship and freedom thought:
  i understand why you would think that i am flip-flopping on the issue, but if you read my stance on it, i'm not.
  i made it very clear that all i am asking for is a warning if indeed it is a joke.

  now the tomatoes in a jar, is hysterical and that is a prime satire and parody on the kitten issue
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  Bonsai Kitty

  by suzi mayhem in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ok.. i know i've been a bit of a buster in the past, but this is for real.

  there is a site out there, and apparently a demand, for modified housepets.

  in a nutshell, what these ahem... [people] do is take a kitten, sedate it, insert the poor thing into a glass bottle with air holes drilled into it, and run tubes into it to feed it, and tubes into it to take care of everything else.

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  Gawd Jukie
  i'm really scared now there are 2 of you
  please don't breed!!!
  for the love of life
  spare humanity

  and alan
  don't type with your mouthful
  manners, what has become of them?
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  Bonsai Kitty

  by suzi mayhem in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ok.. i know i've been a bit of a buster in the past, but this is for real.

  there is a site out there, and apparently a demand, for modified housepets.

  in a nutshell, what these ahem... [people] do is take a kitten, sedate it, insert the poor thing into a glass bottle with air holes drilled into it, and run tubes into it to feed it, and tubes into it to take care of everything else.

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  Larc
  I dont care for the ACC
  and i am firmly against it
  i think it is an infringement
  and a step away from fascism
  but
  if salaries are going to be paid for such an organization
  and those salaries are derived from taxes
  then let them work for it so long as they are around . . .
  the only hypocrite here is Giuliani for starting such a movement because it affects HIS own personal beliefs.

  He has his own agenda and that is WHY
  he is "cleaning" the city from things HE doesn't want to see
  ie. the virgin stained w/ dung. . .

  If he indeed was truly concerned with the future of the city or the bettering of life he might appoint his panel to look into a parody that mimics behavior known to be characteristic of young serial killers

  If indeed he was sincere about his movement
  he would have at least looked into it
  and have the ACC demand a warning before entering the site
  instead
  he is busy SHUTTING down clubs that have been open for years because SUDDENLY there are codes that are not being met
  and OPENING web sites that will increase revenue for the city
  it is all about benjamins for the mayor buddy!!

  I do not condone the ACC because it affects the works of some of my friends i don't waddle on this issue
  free speech is a right

  as far as the
  maddonna smeared in dung
  it was not done to a living being
  against their will --- --- --- thanks for bringing that up emy
  the elephant was not hurt
  and neither was the virgin
  only the thing hurt were the feelings of those offended

  if people want to riot over a painting then let them
  the intellectuals will see the art
  and the Cro-Magnons will duke it out

  protecting life should not be THAT difficult to understand

  censorship steps on your toes and takes YOUR choice away from YOU.

  example if you are into scat (eating feces) and golden showers more power to you and what ever gets you off at the end of the day
  the govenrment should not regulate your fetish
  As long as YOU have a choice and are choosing to partake
  FREELY OF YOUR OWN WILL

  CHOICE
  being the key
  the cat had no choice
  and yes i had a choice to look at the site
  and yes --- i chose to
  and it left me perplexed. . .

  because I received it as part of a petition email
  with several thousand signatures on it and a link to the site,
  which apparently many others did not seem to find amusing either
  prior to this email i had never heard of nor seen the site and the context in which it was received seemed to be upsetting many
  who made no reference to parody either.

  Almost everyone here know Beavis and Butthead
  this MTV cartoon show needed to have a disclaimer before the show started airing into its second season
  and the 2 morons had to stop shouting FIRE FIRE!!
  because kids where becoming pyromaniacs

  now if a cartoon required a warning to prevent hazards
  ---and it was heartwrenching for me to not hear them scream FIRE!!!---
  what about a live kitten in a jar?????
  c'mon that was NO cartoon
  even if it may have been photoshop its fucked up
  all i am saying that it should have had a warning
  for those of us that found it disturbing

  my humor is dark
  twisted and warped
  and it takes alot to get to me
  but somehow
  i could not even begin to see humor in it
  i felt sympathetic claustrophobia

  i'm sitting here eating my carrots and humus,
  which btw 7006
  gawd knows what you were fed
  because it sure ain't supposed to be lumpy!!!
  sure it wasn't grits or cracklin???

  the points you made were valid about the skins and furs if they are too old they are useless
  the leather to which i refered would be the one coming from the animals supporting the meat industry or animals that were hunted for survival purposes. . .

  btw Fuckwit Sorry you are fat
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  Bonsai Kitty

  by suzi mayhem in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ok.. i know i've been a bit of a buster in the past, but this is for real.

  there is a site out there, and apparently a demand, for modified housepets.

  in a nutshell, what these ahem... [people] do is take a kitten, sedate it, insert the poor thing into a glass bottle with air holes drilled into it, and run tubes into it to feed it, and tubes into it to take care of everything else.

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  this board comes in handy jez thanks for the tip. . .

  my anger is rooted in the fact no one seems to be bothered by the animal cruelty implied
  and simply brush it off as a parody. . .

  the only person that set it straight without attacking was RHW
  (thanks RHW)
  afterwards it went downhill go back and check it if you will
  the name calling began way before i called alan a fat fuckwit

  seeker :
  again it took outside sources to reveal it as a joke
  but many servers dropped it
  why
  because its pissing off a whole lot of people.
  and they chose to not be associated with it because of a potential loss of revenue

  7006:
  since you adressed the issue. . . .
  i have been a vegetarian for 9 years
  but won't go the full route of vegan
  why? because
  my reasons are rooted in health and sanitation
  not because of animal cruelty involved in the killing of the animals
  that is another issue in itself

  i stand behind the fact that animals products can nourish the body
  but i believe we have a choice as to what we put into it

  i rather not put anything in to my body that has been dead
  i dont conform to the idea that we are vegetarians or carnivores
  as the extremes of the argument goes
  though some may argue differently
  humans are omnivores and we adapt
  i made a choice years ago for several reasons which are irrelevant to the discussion at hand

  i am by no means a fanatic
  nor an extremist
  but
  i do not condone exploitation
  involved with the raising of animals for their
  furs and such
  raising the animals to kill them for their hide
  is vain and inhumane, IMO
  but
  to say that i should stop wearing leather sneakers or jackets or pants
  is silly
  because the leather can be stripped off of the animal after it has died naturally or if there was a purpose for its death.

  if the fur used for coats was stripped after the death of the animal hey up the price and supply and demand would apreciate
  but to have a mink farm and kill them before their time
  again i donot condone
  because of the vanity and cruelty involved
  wait for their death. . .

  when it comes to cows
  they are used for food
  granted
  the animal is dead use it for its resources
  besides the leather comes from the cows that have been slaughtered to maintain the meat industry
  so if it is already there
  why waste it

  if i came across as if i were disgusted by the thought of a cat in a bottle
  it is because i am
  this board seems to pride itself on maintaining an intellectual level
  yet when someone disagrees with the majority it becomes a free for all on the opposer

  i stand my ground as to why i am disgusted

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  an analogy. . .
  for a second think the bottle as the WTBTS
  and you as the cat

  seems to lose its humor . . .

  this writer shares my perspective on the issue. . .
  

  Bonsai Kitten Redux
  Satire or Simply Sick?
  
  The Bonsai Kitten web site was created in December, 2000, supposedly as a joke among some college students at MIT. The site ostensibly extolled the "art form" of creating "Bonsai Kittens" in a glass jar, and purported to market those "cherished objets d'art," along with the torturous implements required to do-it-yourself. The prose describing the various techniques used in creating these "Bonsai Kittens" is written in an oily, unctuous manner, reminiscent of the way a pedophile would describe his misuse of his victim.

  The webmaster of the site has made no effort to post a disclaimer on the site to the effect that it is a "joke," nor has he/she utilized approved Meta Tags to limit the access of children to the site. This individual hides behind phony NIC registration information, and doesn't have the courage to use his own name.

  The original web site was hosted on its own domain, bonsaikitten.com, with a mirror site on the MIT server, and subsequently moved to three different servers, creating a "moving target" for protesters. These mirrored sites were evidently created with the intention of arousing both the ire of animal lovers and the twisted fantasies of deviates. That it has succeeded with both has become evident by ensuing events.

  Protests by animal advocates, including the powerful HSUS, have succeeded in getting the site removed from MIT and two subsequent servers, but the site has resurfaced once again, this time on GeoCities.

  The site has apparently acquired a cult following of people who find "humor" in the suggested torture of innocent animals. Several of these followers have created their own "Bonsai Kitten" mirror sites, along with message boards which extoll the site as some kind of martyr to free speech. In response to the anonymous emails I've received from some of those self-righteous people, I will only say that labeling something as "black humor," "satire," or "parody" does not make it funny, nor does it make it "okay" to attempt to legitimize cruelty to animals by so labelling it. By the same token, labeling animal advocates as "humorless Nazis, "fools," or "prudes," only harms their chances of a sympathetic audience and adds nothing to their message. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder though, and this site has elicited extreme reactions from both sides of the fray.

  Those who ridicule the idea that other sickos will get ideas from this site, are apparently unaware (or simply don't care) that many serial killers first practice as children, by torturing animals. Laugh all you want, but it is a very real possibility. Take a look at the history of Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy, David Berkowitz, and the young men behind the Columbine killings. We're not overreacting nor making this up, people. There have already been too many "copy-cat" atrocities committed against cats, and we don't need another new method of experimentation.

  Freedom of speech is not the issue here. But if it was, we animal lovers have the same rights: to speak up against this site as being a desecration to the altar of free speech. Furthermore, web site hosts have the right to decide what material is appropriate for their sites. I would not support any governmental regulations to make this kind of site illegal, but I do support hosting companies' rights to ban certain material from their servers, and to close down sites which violate their user agreements.

  In times long past, I occasionally laughed at "sick jokes."

  I grew up.

  Hopefully, someday, so will the creators and supporters of this site.

  The permanent URL for this Guide Special is:
  http://cats.about.com/pets/cats/library/weekly/blbonsai.htm

  i have a very twisted sense of humor but not at the expense of life
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  Bonsai Kitty

  by suzi mayhem in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ok.. i know i've been a bit of a buster in the past, but this is for real.

  there is a site out there, and apparently a demand, for modified housepets.

  in a nutshell, what these ahem... [people] do is take a kitten, sedate it, insert the poor thing into a glass bottle with air holes drilled into it, and run tubes into it to feed it, and tubes into it to take care of everything else.

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  larc:
  it is called respect for life
  is that hard to comprehend???
  
  regardless of whether it is a life form of great intelligence
  or a life form like alanf or any of the other morons that still live in a bottled mentality. . . it has a right to live without being tortured

  or do you need an American Government history class??

  i have no respect for the views nor do i have any tolerance for anyone who finds humor in the cruelty of a living being regardless the species...

  IF there had been a disclaimer---which there wasn't---maybe i would not be upset

  IF it would have been animation---its justified as a cartoon---and its ok because no real life is lost and it is only a depiction of. . .

  IF it would have been posted as an adult site and there would have been warnings to keep children out perhaps i would be more tolerant

  but it was not so. . .

  comic --- maybe perhaps funny
  and for as sick and twisted as it is
  real life would not have been lost. . .
  and that is the point
  murder and abuse is never funny!!!!

  BUT
  that was not the case
  it was posted to seem very real
  so real in fact. . .

  read this:

  FBI Goes After Bonsaikitten.com
  by Declan McCullagh

  Bonsai Kitten

  10:10 a.m. Feb. 9, 2001 PST
  WASHINGTON -- A website devoted to squishing kittens into Mason jars is one
  of two things: A trenchant parody designed to provoke, or a nefarious
  kitty-mutilation scheme that must be stopped, and probably outlawed.

  Count the FBI among the many visitors to bonsaikitten.com who are anything
  but amused at the descriptions of how to use muscle relaxant, feeding tubes
  and Klein bottles to shape a perfect Bonsai Cat.

  ----this is an actual excerpt from WIRED.

  apparently the government is not amused !!!

  this is for you
  you fat fuckwit that goes by ALANF
  the government really does seem to approve huh???
  where did you go to school
  same place mommy got her psych degree????

  Bonsai kitties have the approval of U.S. government regulatory agencies.---Alanf

  stop speaking out of your ass fatboy
  cause the gas is nauseating
  and
  lose some fucking weight while you are at it fatboy
  maybe someone should stick that jar on your head
  ---by the way nice pic seven006

  you know you are so entitled to your views but for you fuckwits who cannot see that a living breathing cat
  had its ass cemented shut and was plugged with tubes so as to be able to perform its natural functions and then was crammed into a bottle
  and some sicko is teaching idiots how to do it
  that is not art
  that is not freedom of expression
  that is MURDER
  it is taking the life away of a living creature
  its called being a bully
  and harming something which cannot defend itself
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  6o9

  you mentioned had it been a JW kid it would be different and this discussion would not be occuring.
  you are wrong
  in case you missed it
  reading comprehension 101 to you nitwit
  it would be a child being abused
  and i would be equally as upset
  it goes back to respecting life
  but you wouldn't know because you don't respect women

  what you see in a movie or read in a book is not real
  there is a difference
  no one has the right to take the life of another being

  Larc:
  art is a different issue all together
  expressing a view such as the one mentioned earlier which offended the catholics did not in any way shape or form mame, injur or violate a living creature
  the only thing hurt in the painting were the feelings of those offended
  the difference that any person with half of a heart could discern if they stopped taking sides

  i am not for the censorship of art
  and
  an artist does not need to hurt an animal to express himself

  did you know that dahmer was into abusing animals before he became a serial killer????

  for you nitwits that cannot tell the difference between cartoons,

  Thought it would be nice to know
  that we aren't the only ones upset by this.. apparently the FBI doesn't have
  a sense of humor either. Or maybe we're just.... RIGHT.
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  what would you do. . .

  by dark clouds in

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  if this happened to you?.

  sitting behind my computer a few mornings ago, i was doing the share of reading that i do on a daily basis, sipping my coffee, minding my own, when an instant message appeared on my screen.

  call it second nature, i responded as i usually do.

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  Gold

  Thanks, i believe i have caught on to your wisdom. . .

  DC
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  Bonsai Kitty

  by suzi mayhem in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ok.. i know i've been a bit of a buster in the past, but this is for real.

  there is a site out there, and apparently a demand, for modified housepets.

  in a nutshell, what these ahem... [people] do is take a kitten, sedate it, insert the poor thing into a glass bottle with air holes drilled into it, and run tubes into it to feed it, and tubes into it to take care of everything else.

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  you losers have issues!!!!

  for having spent so much time in a metaphoric bottle it seems to really have molded your outlook PERMANENTLY

  seriously,
  where is the humor in "shapping" an innocent kitten??!!
  parody or not!!!
  its fucked up

  you know it is really gross and hypocritical
  most of us here spent our lives
  molded into something we did not want to be
  but it is ok to do it to an animal????
  DID YOU LOSERS LEARN ANYTHING???!!!!

  and why exactly is it ok???
  because its not human???
  because it came from MIT students?

  THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION FOR ANIMAL CRUELTY!!!!!!!